Things started off with a suggestion that Hamas is justified in slaughtering civilians in cold blood as it did on October 7th because Israel has killed civilians in its attempts to destroy Hamas. She further tries to paint an equivalency by claiming that Israel has "bulldozed" 55,000 Palestinian homes since 1948.

SHAPIRO: My answer is, that Israel would not be justified in killing Palestinian civilians because of the actions of terrorists, Israel would be justified in attempting to kill terrorists and civilian casualties are a cost of war. That is just a reality of war. During World War II, there were 70,000 Brits who died during the Blitz bombing, and there were two million Germans, civilians, who died during World War II, and I don't see a lot of monuments in Britain because of the two million civilians who died in Germany. //

In other words, even if everything she says is true (some of it is misleading), that still would not justify Israel going into Gaza and seeking out civilians to rape and behead, which is what Hamas did to Israel. //

QUESTIONER: Britain wasn't bombing civilian, civilians...(boos). There's a clear difference.

SHAPIRO: You should talk to the people in Dresden, but you can't because they're dead.

QUESTIONER: There's a clear difference. I agree that war is horrible, but this is not a just war. What Israel is doing is not a just war. There is a difference between fighting the Nazis...

SHAPIRO: So it's not a just war when you fight a war against people who murder 1,500 of your civilians and take 233 of them, last count, captive into tunnels. It is not a just war to obliterate them? Please name a just war.

The questioner ignored Shapiro's challenge, instead claiming that Israel has been killing civilians for the past 75 years. That's a pretty simplistic way of describing things given that the Palestinians (and Arab nations) have waged numerous wars against Israel during that time. Her intent seems to be the paint the Palestinians as strictly victims without acknowledging their continuous aggression and rejection of peace.

That leads us to Shapiro's biggest moment in this debate, which was getting the questioner to admit what she really wants.

SHAPIRO: Which part of Palestine is occupied?

QUESTIONER: The entirety of Palestine. //

Civilians dying is a tragedy, but Hamas chose to break the latest ceasefire, invade Israel, and massacre over a thousand people. With those actions come consequences. All the arguments in the world aren't going to stop the destruction of Hamas at this point.